Random Rove Observations
Rove Lives to Slime Again Another Day
1. Candy Crowley positively giddy on CNN - laughing and calling him 'Karl' instead of Rove. (Update: Crowley calls Rove the "happiest man in America")
2. Big media outlets insert gratuitous mentions of the Jason Leopold fiasco in their coverage: here, here. Expect more of the same. And expect rightwing bloggers to have a field day with the Leopold angle.
3. Christy at FDL notes the prematurity of saying the case is over:
1. Candy Crowley positively giddy on CNN - laughing and calling him 'Karl' instead of Rove. (Update: Crowley calls Rove the "happiest man in America")
2. Big media outlets insert gratuitous mentions of the Jason Leopold fiasco in their coverage: here, here. Expect more of the same. And expect rightwing bloggers to have a field day with the Leopold angle.
3. Christy at FDL notes the prematurity of saying the case is over:
"[T]o spin this as the case being over is laziness on the part of ... the media writ large, frankly — who have never dug into this case to realize that the players were larger than the Libby and Rove narrative frame that the corporate media types have conveniently used throughout the investigation. And that the be all and end all of the case was not the ultimate criminal charges, but the exposure of the smarmy underbelly of the Bush Administration and their standard MO of attacking, with a vengeance, anyone who dares to question them — even when those questions are not only appropriate but also expose them in a lie."4. Beyond irony - Rove slanders veterans Murtha and Kerry:
"They may be with you for the first shots but they won't be there for the last tough battles." (presumably in contrast to Bush?)Of course, Rove is in a position to attack veterans:
"Except for a lapse of several months, Selective Service records show presidential adviser Karl Rove escaped the draft for nearly three years at the height of the Vietnam War using student deferments. [Walsh, Salt Lake Tribune, 9/18/2004] Rove's (non-)draft history includes a period where he claimed a student deferment even though he had dropped out of school." (LINK)5. David Gergen on MSNBC: (paraphrasing) 'On a personal note, you never want to see someone like Rove indicted.'
posted by Peter Daou at 6/13/2006 08:59:00 AM
36 Comments:
Howard Dean says:
'If Karl Rove had been indicted it would have been for perjury. That does not excuse his real sin which is leaking the name of an intelligence operative during the time of war. He doesn't belong in the White House."
RT
RT: They slime Rove. They prejudge Rove. Therefore, the left is bad. ?
fred: Cannot verify the Dean quote, but if true, in this age of instant information, these politicians need to work on their game.
it's not just the rightwing bloggers having a field day w/leopold. sadly, the leftwing bloggers are attacking and using this episode as a way to get attention for their little blogs.
Dean should be removed from his post for such a stupid statement. This country needs a two party system to survive and people like Dean are destroying America's great two party tradition.
RT
anonymous RT,
Please source the Dean quote.
Then we can call him stupid for saying this, together.
Dean said this on the Today show this morning in response to Rove vindication. Video available on Fox.
Top Democrat accusing Rove of a crime in spite of vindication by prosecutor. Shame.
While Rove was learning the biz from Segretti and Atwater Dean had to practice medicine at least well enough to avoid lawsuits. If you’re gonna get political, you have to do it well. And Dean may have some catching up to do.
There is little discernable difference between the psychology or intelligence of the bulk of the left and right (common folk). But between the powerful and the powerless – a different story - why somebodies gotta keep an eye on these people and hold their feet to the fire.
I still think it’s easier for the corrupt to hide in today’s Republican party though..
I agree with most of what you say however, IMO corrupt politicians can be found in all parties. IMO Democrats are more forgiving of corruption in their ranks than are Republicans..Witness the closing of ranks around Jefferson vs. Cunningham..
Why? What are the factors, the motives? I say much depends on influence – Delay rallied support while sometimes it seems like Libby has been abandoned.
RT said:
Dean should be removed from his post for such a stupid statement. This country needs a two party system to survive and people like Dean are destroying America's great two party tradition.
That's funny, you have commented on three other "Grit" threads trying (and failing) to defend Ann Coulter's vicious attacks, slandering liberals, and attacking the Democratic Party; I have to look at your sudden "concern" for America's two-party system with a jaundiced eye.
During the last eleven years the GOP-controlled Congress has gerrymandered districts, re-written rules to limit the extent that Dems can participate in Congress, and spent decades before that demonizing the party, all in order to destroy it.
Everyone here knows which party is jeopardizing the two-party system in this country: It's yours.
Hey, Ann Coulter’s got her good points too. Like Adolph Hitler did! Just the other day I was in an all morning meeting with the bosses and I went into some stories about how Hitler and Goebbels had brilliantly solved some of their marketing problems – but then I realized everyone else was staring at me kinda funny..
Never mind.
Gideon:
"...you have commented on three other "Grit" threads trying (and failing) to defend Ann Coulter's vicious attacks, "slandering liberals", and attacking the Democratic Party;"
Ann Coulter is more than able to defend herself.
Show one of my posts here I have "slandered" a liberal. Thanks
RT
The Democrats are out of power because they are bereft of ideas. If they continue to rely only on "I hate Bush" as their only idea, they will disappear as a party before long. Unfortunately the Democrat Party has been hijacked by the extreme left, who view America as the source of all world problems.. Shame.
Gedion-
"I have to look at your sudden "concern" for America's two-party system with a jaundiced eye."
You should see an opthomologist and havethat eye looked at. No wonder you have such a negative view of things.
Seattle
Anybody know who this “extreme left” is, and what they stand for?
The only time I’ve ever seen terms like “communist” or “socialism” on lefty sites is coming from namecalling wingnut trolls.
Who are these “extreme” lefties?
fred
“bereft of ideas”
Only the self-delusional believes that Bush has better ideas, let alone actually knowing how to implement them effectively or competently.
Just what are these brilliant ideas from the right?
RT said:
Show one of my posts here I have "slandered" a liberal. Thanks
You attempted to defend Coulter's vitriolic assault on four women I had never even heard of -- until Coulter raised their profile.
You repeated Coulter's baseless and slanderous accusation that liberals use "sympathetic figures as political props."
You defend slander, you committ slander, as far as I'm concerned.
By the way, you have yet to produce a fact-based case, as I challenged you to do on 6/10/2006 at 6:31 pm, that might actually defend Coulter's accusation.
Anonymous Troll #1 said:
The Democrats are out of power because they are bereft of ideas... Unfortunately the Democrat Party has been hijacked by the extreme left, who view America as the source of all world problems.
The Democratic Party has many ideas; too bad the so-called liberal media doesn't cover those ideas in-depth. Or at all.
And I WISH my party was controlled by left-wingers instead of Republicans in Democrat's clothing...
But you hold on to your quaint little fantasies; maybe they'll keep you warm at night when your party goes down in flames.
"Seattle" said:
Gedion-
"I have to look at your sudden "concern" for America's two-party system with a jaundiced eye."
You should see an opthomologist and havethat eye looked at. No wonder you have such a negative view of things.
I only have a negative view of right-wing trolls -- especially the ones who try to condescend when they can't even spell a simple name like "Gideon."
gidion says:
"I only have a negative view"
gidion, have that jaundiced eye looked after,so you can see things correctly.
gidion...
"Show one of my posts where I have "slandered" a liberal. Thanks"
Gidion, if you can't find a post of mine that "slanders" you or any other liberal, please don't post comments inferring that I use such remarks to make my point.
RT
Hey RT,
Over at Salon’s Daou Report a couple days ago someone used your moniker to slander lefties and liberals:
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“The RT Poll of posters on leftie websites indicates 88% of leftie posters hope the US fails in Iraq so as not to give praise to Bush. The other 12% gave incoherent responses..”
RT | 06.09.06 - 2:11 pm |
“You libs apparently can't make up your minds.”
“In my travels around liberal website forums, including this one, I've discovered that 86% of the time, liberals respond to questions or comments with invectives.”
"Free speech is for all, isn't it, and not just for the convenience of liberals when it suits them, right?”
RT | 06.09.06 - 7:38 pm |
“The beauty of an all volunteer armed forces is that it automatically excludes liberals by it's concept. This is why our military is the best and strongest in the world and the reason the war will end when we end it. Best that liberals stay home and play video wargames and study Jung.”
RT | 06.09.06 - 7:51 pm |
“I ask a simple question of you and I get a lot of liberalspeak babble”
“’Moron’, by the way, continues to be the favorite response word of liberals”
RT | 06.09.06 - 10:21 pm |
“liberals resort to name calling and invent all kinds of rationale for this behavior when having a discussion.”
”The liberal habit of calling someone a name like moron.."
RT | 06.10.06 - 8:55 pm |
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Man, if you swap “liberal” for “jew” that RT would’ve sounded like a 1939 Nazi!
fred
Where is the slander?
Fred said:
"Man, if you swap “liberal” for “jew” that RT would’ve sounded like a 1939 Nazi!"
That's pretty bizarre, editing someone's posts to support some imaginary conclusion.
Is there something I said that would make you imply that I am anti-semitic? Why do you feel it necessary to do that and what do you hope to accomplish by doing that?
RT
Aha! I knew it. You’re David Duke!
Seriously. Are you aware that you rarely ever answer anything directly? Why do you comment on blogs – for fun or to save America? And how old are you?
Ad its fred not "Fred".
RT, I think it is you who needs to have his (or her) eye checked. Probably both eyes.
Signed, Gideon (not "Gidion")
P.S. Still waiting for you to make a case on Coulter's behalf, since she was too busy spitting venom to back up her charges herself.
fred...
"Are you aware that you rarely ever answer anything directly?"
I don't answer questions where the question asked of me is the only response to my initial question..If you give me an answer to a question, I will answer any question that is appropriate to the subject, if I am able.
BTW, did you know that "slander" is an oral defamation, and that "libel" is a written defamation?
Apparently poster Gideonne doesn't know that. If you happen to see him or hear from him, please let him know that. Thanks.
RT
fred...
"Why do you comment on blogs – for fun or to save America? And how old are you? "
I like to know how people with views different that mine, think and express their views. Knowing one's oponent is very important in politics and life.
I am old enough to vote and drive an automobile.
RT
You asked for this, RT.
"Soft, divided, whining, troop-hating, over-eager Democrats..."
This is exactly how the left is viewed. What would one expect with the left's drumbeat campaign of "I Hate Bush" and failure to put forth any ideas.
Hoping for Bush to fail so the left can regain power, is not a winning strategy.
RT
Of course, this is actually libellous, not slanderous. It's also, with only the most minor change, the same repetitive tune that the GOP has been singing for many, many years.
Which party is bereft of ideas again?
Now RT, tell us what grand notions the GOP has come up with that has so captured the hearts and minds of the American electorate that the party will be able to effortlessly maintain its vice grip on power this November?
Are they similar to the ones that lost Bush the 2000 election and resulted in his "reelection" in 2004 being the narrowest in American history?
BTW, did you know that "slander" is an oral defamation, and that "libel" is a written defamation?
Yes, I was in the midst of typing that correction RT while you were blathering on. Funny, you didn't seem to catch that one yourself, as your question showed.
While we wait for RT’s response, here’s some humor from the rights leading comedienne pundit spokesperson, Ann Coulter:
"Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President."
“Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots”
"Usually the nonsense liberals spout is kind of cute, but in wartime their instinctive idiocy is life-threatening."
Now those are some right wing ideas!
Those are Ann Coulter's opinions, not right wing ideas. Helen Thomas is not immune from criticism or satire, is she? I'm sure she can hand it out, as well as she can take it.
Those who actively work to undermine our government or military, and provide comfort to our enemies, are indeed traitorous. Mostly, these are people with roots and beliefs stemming from Socialist and Communist doctrine. "America is the cause of all problems" is frequently heard fron these folks.
Garden variety liberals are mostly young people with idealistic visions of the world who want to do good and have good intentions.. Most young liberals will moderate with time, responsibility, and maturity. Some will also become conservative in their views.
RT
Notice RT ducks my questions, has still failed to build a case for Ann Coulter? And then says this:
Those who actively work to undermine our government or military, and provide comfort to our enemies, are indeed traitorous. Mostly, these are people with roots and beliefs stemming from Socialist and Communist doctrine.
I agree with you there; those people are called "neocons."
Garden variety liberals are mostly young people with idealistic visions of the world who want to do good and have good intentions.. Most young liberals will moderate with time, responsibility, and maturity. Some will also become conservative in their views.
Liberals come in all ages, races, and income groups, RT. Although it's been proven that the more educated someone is, the more they tend to be a liberal, liberals come in a wide variety, as much as you wish it were otherwise.
Perhaps someday, when you're more mature, you'll look back at the folly of your efforts here.
Of course, I rather doubt that; you haven't shown much in the way of introspection here. Or intellectual honesty.
Alright, not right wing ideas, but somebodies making Coulter rich.
What factors made you so conservative? Do you come from tornado alley or the deep south? Rural or urban? Is religion a factor? Listen to C&W a lot? Dad died on 9-11? Loyal to Freepers?
gideonsays...
"Although it's been proven that the more educated someone is, the more they tend to be a liberal..."
That's quite a remarkable statement. What is the proof of what you stated? Does this mean that an individual with an MBA or JD is apt to be more liberal than say, an individual with junior standing?
Are you suggesting that having a higher level of education is a qualification for being a liberal? What do you call people who lack education but are socially and economically liberal??
A rather condescending statement from you but it is not surprising.
RT
Once again, RT, you fail to carefully read what I wrote.
Or... you've tried (feebly) to distort what I said to keep everyone focused away from the fact that you still haven't come up with a defense of Ann Coulter, have failed to prove that the GOP is brimming with ideas, failed to prove that the Left is bereft of them, and got caught engaging in personal attacks on liberals after pretending to be above that sort of thing.
But you have confirmed "fred's" charge:
"Are you aware that you rarely ever answer anything directly?"
RT said:
Garden variety liberals are mostly young people with idealistic visions of the world who want to do good and have good intentions.. Most young liberals will moderate with time, responsibility, and maturity. Some will also become conservative in their views.
A few facts for you, courtesy of the Pew Research Center... since your own facts are obviously in such short supply that you're carefully hoarding them.
And here's a special quote just for you:
"Older Americans are more Democratic than Republican in their party affiliation, while younger people are about equally divided between the parties. And as has long been true, younger people also are substantially less likely to identify with any political party."
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